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Wednesday, July 23, 2014

No weapon found at scene of officer-involved Echo Park shooting

David Martinez aka “Dizzy”

Police  opened fire last week on David Martinez after the Echo Park resident pointed what appeared to be a gun at officers responding to a report of an armed gang member who had fired two shots.  But a search immediately after the shooting failed to find the gun Martinez had allegedly held in his hand, according to an LAPD news release posted today on the department’s website. “No weapon was recovered at the scene, ”  according to the release.  Here’s a run down of what the LAPD said happened early Tuesday morning at the corner of Echo Park Avenue and Sunset Boulevard:

When the officers arrived, they initiated contact with the suspect, David Martinez.  Officers saw Martinez holding an object which they believed was a pistol.  Martinez failed to comply with the officers’ commands to drop the pistol.  As Martinez ran from the officers, he turned and raised his arm pointing what the officers believed to be a pistol at them at which time an officer-involved shooting occurred.

The Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics responded and transported Martinez to a local hospital where he was listed in stable condition.  There were no injuries to the involved officers.  No weapon was recovered at the scene.

It’s the most detailed report the LAPD has released on the shooting, with some early news accounts saying that the victim had fired a gun at officers. The incident continues to be investigated by the LAPD’s Force Investigation Division.

Related Link:

  • Midnight visit to an Echo Park taco truck ends with a burst of police gunfire. The Eastsider
  • Echo Park man shot by police gets a show of support. The Eastsider

152 comments

  1. Let the hateful comments commence!

  2. Let the hateful comments commence!

    • Comment recap time!

      1. Grammer lesson presented by DJ Bento Box. Battle of intellects begins. Guess who wins?
      2. Henry gets lazy, cuts and paste the same comment. Also really believes the video shows that Dizzy is innocent.
      3. cat lover greatly sympathizes with Dizzy and post semi-coherent replies to almost every post that demeans Dizzy.
      4. brezzy213 mashes up favorite tv shows creating epic comment fail with mixed replies attempting to help poor brezzy213 out. michael saves the day.
      5. True Freedom outs itself as a non-local while delivering an outstanding job of showing how one uncaring human being can shamelessly bathe in plight of all mankind.
      6. Mission Impossible, Brezzy213, cat lover, loveyouboo213, DIZZYS PAPOOSE all feel really bad for Dizzy while the others mock their compassion.
      7. With Dizzy out temporarily out of commission, Bill is concerned for the future of America.
      8. Majority agree that running from the LAPD is a very bad idea.
      9. Minority agree that running from the LAPD is acceptable.
      10. DIZZYS PAPOOSE single handily destroys the english language.
      -KittenFace

  3. mission impossible

    “DIZZY IS AN INNOCENT MAN, AND A VICTIM OF A VICIOUS CRIME BY THE CORRUPTED RAMPART P.D” I know this because, I was one of the witnesses. Seen my buddy get gunned down by these cops. I fear for my life now. What? There their to protect and serve? Okayyyy, hummmmm!!!!! Why didnt they protect “Dizzy”???? No!!!!! Instead they served him with bullets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. mission impossible

    “DIZZY IS AN INNOCENT MAN, AND A VICTIM OF A VICIOUS CRIME BY THE CORRUPTED RAMPART P.D” I know this because, I was one of the witnesses. Seen my buddy get gunned down by these cops. I fear for my life now. What? There their to protect and serve? Okayyyy, hummmmm!!!!! Why didnt they protect “Dizzy”???? No!!!!! Instead they served him with bullets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • They’re there…..

    • mission impossible you now have the impossible mission of avoiding the LA PD! What on earth are you going to do? They are sniffing round you! You are the center of the universe, now that you have seen their power, it is coming to get you!! Magical thinking has been absorbed by your eyes and now you will manifest the same fate. RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!

      Or you could just not do stupid illegal stuff and then turn and rush the cops when they ask you to stop.

      Protect and serve yourself from you foolish victimization. That will truly be an impossible mission.

      • Well- it maybe easy for you to say, because You’re Not a victim !
        Presentation truly is everything ! Truth is You and LA pd do Not know if the so called Suspect carried anything illegal. See, all this Bullshit… its just really a cover up and people like you, give LA pd The Biggest laugh due to the fact that you automatically assume the worst from your Hispanic neighbor.
        That ain’t Right !
        An officer’s job… I thought, was to protect and serve but now we can say that they’ll serve you with all the bullets that a gun can carry. 3 guns to be Exact. So an entire department follows through with the trigger pulling on one man who probably carries nothing but his wallet. Idiots.
        Now on the other hand if it was someone you knew.. your Father, your Mother, your younger sibling(s) you’d probably cry so loud that maybe even God would here you from Heaven. Would anything be okay then ?
        A man was shot, now we should react to this as One Single Unit, a Tight Community, an Actual Neighbor that gives a shit about more then their own families and themselves. We’re the ones who live here and only want better for our children. Our community witnesses an officer shoot an innocent bystander where is the Justice in that? Who knows maybe you’ll be the Next to catch bullets like a Officer’s Target at Target practice ? An innocent that made the mistake as simple as Surrendering… now how can we feel protected ? If our so called ” Protection ” doesn’t hesitate to shoot down our innocent neighbor ?! Seriously you’re a fool to ever feel so comfortable… comfortable enough that you’re able to make fun of a man that was gunned down by L.A.P.D. !

        … but hey… what happened was funny, right ?…

        • No one thinks the situation at hand is funny. Rather it is the incessant enclave of borderline incoherent posters praising this “gentle soul” and crying foul of the LAPD & their reptilian conspiracy to rid Echo Park of all Latino’s. You cry racism of anyone whom counterpoints as to why this shooting may have been justified yet it would seem that the individual in question, Mr. Dizzy, has a penchant from alcohol induced threats towards the dreaded whitey for taking his seat at the donut shop (apparently another commenter feels we naysayers should watch ourselves next time we have the hankering for a honey cruller). As a victim of gun violence, I am very sorry for what his family may be going through. No child should have to see a parent gunned down but as the saying goes, when you play with fire…..

  5. This is to the people who dont believe that david is innocent. like fat albert said sit on it . you know that he wouldnt hurt a fly he is a loving and caring person. so what if he drank or not who dosent. he dosent deserve this he would always pan handle for a beer on the street he would always so mi prestas. if all of you non believers dont care about him then stop putting negative stuff about him. he dosent need that right now he needs love. you guys should feel ashamed of you selves. poopies just come home where you need to be where the real people love and care about you ..

  6. This is to the people who dont believe that david is innocent. like fat albert said sit on it . you know that he wouldnt hurt a fly he is a loving and caring person. so what if he drank or not who dosent. he dosent deserve this he would always pan handle for a beer on the street he would always so mi prestas. if all of you non believers dont care about him then stop putting negative stuff about him. he dosent need that right now he needs love. you guys should feel ashamed of you selves. poopies just come home where you need to be where the real people love and care about you ..

  7. David, dont listen to what anyone says. You did not deserve all of this. True Freedom sounds like an officer. He is obviously on the LAPD’s side. He is an innocent man, and he deserves to still be an innocent man. Screw you “True Freedom”.

  8. David, dont listen to what anyone says. You did not deserve all of this. True Freedom sounds like an officer. He is obviously on the LAPD’s side. He is an innocent man, and he deserves to still be an innocent man. Screw you “True Freedom”.

    • I’m not an officer, but I am glad that you think I’m innocent. Your opinion means so much to me.

      • I did not mean it like that. I didn’t mean you were innocent. Why is your name even True Freedom, you don’t want this man to have FREEDOM obviously. Well, don’t worry because we all know he his going to be free. Unlike other people (True Freedom) don’t want him to be free.

  9. Ugh.

    1. Fat Albert didn’t use the phrase “sit on it”, it was the characters in the sitcom “Happy Days”. If you’re going to attempt to put us in our place by using an ancient and unfunny catchphrase, the least you can do is get it right.

    2. Is it just me or is there something to the idea that anyone who either claims to know or support our poor Dizzy is in desperate need of a visit from the Three Wise Men of grammar? Spelling, punctuation and sentence structure are your friends and would go a long way towards anyone taking anything you may write even remotely serious.

    Wait. Let me write that last part so you can understand it…

    Spelling, punctuation and sentence structure are your friends and would go a long way towards anyone taking anything you may write even remotely serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    There. That’s better.

  10. Ugh.

    1. Fat Albert didn’t use the phrase “sit on it”, it was the characters in the sitcom “Happy Days”. If you’re going to attempt to put us in our place by using an ancient and unfunny catchphrase, the least you can do is get it right.

    2. Is it just me or is there something to the idea that anyone who either claims to know or support our poor Dizzy is in desperate need of a visit from the Three Wise Men of grammar? Spelling, punctuation and sentence structure are your friends and would go a long way towards anyone taking anything you may write even remotely serious.

    Wait. Let me write that last part so you can understand it…

    Spelling, punctuation and sentence structure are your friends and would go a long way towards anyone taking anything you may write even remotely serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    There. That’s better.

  11. whether he had a gun or not is irrelevant. You can’t run from the police and the suddenly wheel around toward then with that gesture. I saw the video and the police had every right to think he may have had something. Its not a situation where you can take another fraction of a second and hope he’s not going for a gun.

    I don’t have anything against this guy but he’s far from innocent. In general I do feel the police could do a better job of not letting things even get to that point but In the situation they where in, that he put himself in they where doing their job. Pointing that out is nothing personal.

  12. whether he had a gun or not is irrelevant. You can’t run from the police and the suddenly wheel around toward then with that gesture. I saw the video and the police had every right to think he may have had something. Its not a situation where you can take another fraction of a second and hope he’s not going for a gun.

    I don’t have anything against this guy but he’s far from innocent. In general I do feel the police could do a better job of not letting things even get to that point but In the situation they where in, that he put himself in they where doing their job. Pointing that out is nothing personal.

    • I saw the video too. And you cannot even tell if he makes any gesture, all you can see is that he turned around and headed back toward them. The video is too low grade to even see his arms, it is just a blur. And at the critical moment where you would see it if you could, the camera starts seriously shaking and even aims down toward the ground instead of at the people, to make it impossible to see if there was any arm movement, even if you stop it and look frame by frame.

      So, I’m afraid thee video is just not going to solve this matter.

      • I saw arm movement at the same time he was wheeling around toward the cops and they had to make split second decision. At that speed you wouldn’t be able to see his arms or a gun before you had to act. That’s the whole point. All he need to do was not run (or even not turn back toward the cop … who had his gun drawn) …I mean PLEASE its almost funny if it wasn’t so pathetic

        So the video solves it for me. I have a hard time seeing 11 on a jury all disagreeing. But doubtful it will even get that far.

        Just curious to the conspiracy theorists if they wanted to assassinate this guy why didn’t they. I would chalk this up more to poor deescalation and training than a conspiracy.

  13. usually people run when they are doing something illegal..which i assume he was.

  14. usually people run when they are doing something illegal..which i assume he was.

    • Actually, that is not so. People run when they are afraid. Yes, people who are doing something wrong and about to be caught will be afraid. But so are plenty of other people for plenty of other reasons. It doesn’t sound to me like Dizzy has had very pleasant experiences with the police, so he is afraid when they come for him. To presume that is because he is doing something wrong is just prejudiced.

      • Ugh.

        More of the “people run when they’re afraid” excuse. Please. People that run when they’re confronted by Police run because they’ve conditioned themselves to do so due to their behaviors.

        We’re certainly not taught at birth to run from Police. “Little Billy, what do you do when you meet a Policeman?” “Run like a MoFo, Ms. Crabapple!” “Very good, Billy!”

        Whenever I or any other regular, law-abiding citizen get stopped by the Police, It’s a pretty safe bet that the LAST THING on any of our minds is running. Why do ANYTHING that would give them any sort of thought or mindset that you might be doing something that needs you to be shot? Why give them any sort of doubt if they’re all as corrupt and violent as people claim they are?

        Your excuse for people running is silly and misguided at best, just plain idiotic at worst.

        • DJ Bento Box… you are awesome.

        • “People that run when they’re confronted by Police run because they’ve ” been conditioned to do so by frequent and personal experiences with police brutality. I wish the same experience on every gullible moron this thread or at least on their family members and loved ones. At which point, I’m sure they will also agree that simply running from police (or pulling up your pants, or reaching for the sky) is NOT a capital offense. Even if it was, it’s ILLEGAL and CRIMINAL for sworn “PEACE” officers to adjudicate the offense on the spot like some impromptu firing squad, i.e., “Law and Order without Justice is FASCISM”. Does L.A. need to be set on fire once again revive reform efforts?

          • FYI the cops are not in control of this neighborhood, not like they’re out beating kids up every night. They only show up when residents call them, by which time the scum has typically fled the scene. They are NOT proactive at all in solving EPs gang problem. It’s a very easily resolvable problem if anyone at NE had the resources or wherewithal to do so.

            Even though the officer’s reaction was perfectly justified in this circumstance, I’m sure this gang idiot will still get some $$.

          • TO Fauxican what is up with the hateful comments? I guess its hard for most people to refrain from hateful comments.

          • Oh I also did notice my spelling and grammer mistakes on my reply above. Because I’m sure someone will enjoy posting something mean right away. However you are the one that did not comptehend the video correctly. The video and the guy that captured the video say that he ran, shot at the police, so they fired back at him.

  15. Even a grammar lesson, on top of it all. We have some winners on the east sider. Pioneer Chicken though backs! They don’t make them like this no more…

  16. Even a grammar lesson, on top of it all. We have some winners on the east sider. Pioneer Chicken though backs! They don’t make them like this no more…

  17. Man f*** dizzy hes just a lame drunky tecato good for nothing prick too bad he didnt die he lives to bumb it and ask for change for hes next fix hahahhaha what a joke

  18. Man f*** dizzy hes just a lame drunky tecato good for nothing prick too bad he didnt die he lives to bumb it and ask for change for hes next fix hahahhaha what a joke

  19. The real tragedy is that this shooting has interrupted Dizzy’s important work on finding the cure for cancer and solving the problems of global warming.

    • Gee Bill that is quite a smartass comment. Dave might not be your typical succesuccessful hardworking man but i really dont think his job status is what this article is trying to make a point of. The article posted was that he fired a gun at the police which he actually didnt. Bill you never know what kind of situation the future holds for you. I can only hope his kids and wife are syaying strong right now.

    • Bill your comment is very rude. You are entitled to your opinions of course but a lot of people reading and writing post are people that are concernef about Daves condition in the hospital. His wife and kids must be going through a really hard time. I just send my prayers to him and his family and hope they cope well.

      • I think what Bill was trying to say is we aren’t going to miss the harassment from the consistently drunk guy.

        • How many drunk hipsters walk up echo park smoking ciggarrettes after leaving all these bars on a weekday? Why is it ok for other people to be drunk? Occupying the sidewalks drunk in a residential area doesnt seem right either. But because their white its ok. lol

          • hey they are not begging people for money. +1 for the infamous hipsters

          • I like everyone and think everyone deserves respect no matter how they choose to express themselves. I just am saddened by some negative comments by some people. A man is in critical condition and it seems most of you are glad.

          • Yes, because smoking a cigarette after leaving a bar in a semi residential area is on hundred percent the same as drinking yourself into a stupor before engaging in some good old xenophobia via violent threats! This isn’t about latino’s versus the dreaded whitey (I am both), so don’t make it that.

        • Drunken panhandlers? I’m more annoyed by helmetless, shaggy-haired, hipster- transplants hogging-up an entire traffic lane and ignoring Stop signs while riding their lame retro-bikes. My revenge? When I manage to drive around them, I make sure to hog-up the lane so that they can’t ride past me and when they direct their annoyed glares at me I respond with “Where’s your f’n helmet hipster-dufus!?”At that point they realize I’m a native who remembers the days before our neighborhood became a dumping ground for everybody else’s spoiled brat. If I only had a badge . . .

          • You sound like a well adjusted asset to society. Go drink some bleach.

          • Not Another Neighbor

            I doubt you’d pass the academy test with that racist attitude.

          • “I doubt you’d pass the academy test with that racist attitude”? Based on what? The LAPD’s sterling history in race relations? Besides, I defy you to identify the specific “racist” element in that post? Otherwise, please keep your nueroses to yourself. “Thank You”.

    • Now THAT’S funny! :-)

  20. Dear LAPD,

    Why did you wait so long to reveal to the public that the man didn’t have a weapon?

    • I’m just gonna take a stab at this. Could it be that they first conducted a through investiagion?

      • No, Skeeter, I don’t think so. They searched at that time. End of search, they knew they had no weapon. But they waited more than a week to acknowledge that. Haven’t you noticed them normally speaking with in the day for any other police shooting?

        • Not Another Neighbor

          With that many officers involved they would have to get internal affairs to interview each officer separately and in isolation, then cross examine all the interviews and reports within internal affairs, do more interviews then present the report to whomever is in charge. Then get it checked and signed off for press comment. That would probably take a long time dont you think?

          • That protocol was apparently ignored when they decided to lie about the victim being armed, which was a blatant lie. But you’re apparently not alarmed when “that many officers” fired on a harmless drunk(?!) and then proceeded to villianize the victim by publicly claiming he asked for it before “internal affairs [could] interview each officer separately and in isolation, then cross examine all the interviews and reports within internal affairs, do more interviews then present the report to whomever is in charge. Then get it checked and signed off for press comment”. Based on your description of the official protocol shouldn’t the LAPD have restricted themselves to “No Comment pending an investigation”? Why are you not expressing your outrage at this violation of your official protocol? I bet you won’t be so glib when the same happens to You or a loved one.

          • Not Another Neighbor

            I think you’ll find the LAPD press release prior to the most recent one states that he was suspected of being armed and dangerous and that they were responding to shots fired.

            Also my ability to be glib will remain intact because when the police ask me to stop I will stop thereby negating any opportunity for me to get shot. When the police ask me to answer some questions I will do so. And in return the police will uphold the laws of the state and county. That is called a social contract.

            As a proponent of running from the police I doubt your ability to remain stupid will last quite as long.

  21. “The shooting happened while officers were responding to a report of an assault with a deadly weapon involving shots fired, Chang said.” and “The location of the shooting is in the same block where Trader Joe’s employee Michael David was shot by gang members in 2011, and is near an area that has long been a hot spot for gang unit officers.” I’m sure Dizzy is just a misunderstood guy who in reality is contributing to the community in many ways no one know about. The Police are always wrong. LOL.

    • So your judging him by his picture assuming he doesnt contribute to the community? Do you contribute to the community? You dont personaly know him but i bet your being a prejudice prick.

      • A known panhandler and street drunk who has had several people write on here about run-in’s with him that involved threats of violence and harrassment vs. all of the people on here writing about Dizzy’s involvement with the church, or after school programs, volunteer work…..

        Oh wait.

        Yeah, there’s none of that. Nevermind.

        And I’m sure eastsidearts contributes to the community. We all do. The easiest way to contribute to a community is to not be a BURDEN ON YOUR COMMUNITY.

        And by the way, if we’re judging this loser by his picture I’m assuming he’s a comedy genius because that MoFo looks just like Cantinflas!

        • He harrassed you? Well no one deserves that i agree. But the issue that bothers me is the fact that LAPD falsly claims that he shot fires at them which he didn’t. I believe 12 shots were fired at him.

          • if this man had the capability to shoot fire at people, then I think there would be some bigger federal agencies involved.

            FYI, to assist in your reading comprehension… they were RESPONDING to a call for shots fired when they came upon him, I don’t recall seeing anything about him firing at the police, nor did he have to to justify his punishment. We all have access to the same video.

          • I did read and comprehend the video. In the video the state that he shot at the police and then they shot back at him. This article we are posting on confirms that after investigation there was no weapon found. And yes I do know that the police were responding to call of someone firing gunshots.But apparently thats not what I wss even arguing about.

  22. “The shooting happened while officers were responding to a report of an assault with a deadly weapon involving shots fired, Chang said.” and “The location of the shooting is in the same block where Trader Joe’s employee Michael David was shot by gang members in 2011, and is near an area that has long been a hot spot for gang unit officers.” I’m sure Dizzy is just a misunderstood guy who in reality is contributing to the community in many ways no one know about. The Police are always wrong. LOL.

  23. Gangs are so misunderstood.

  24. If the police have to chase you they’re bringing an a%# whipping with them. “Dizzy” stepped up and caught a case.

    • Well said. The absolute truth.

      “Oh man! It’s late at night, the cops are behind me, they’ve got their weapons at the ready and they’re telling me to get down and assume the position. What should I do? I know! I’ll run! I’ll run and make them chase me all over the city and use up valuable resources and time!”

      “I wonder if they’ll be mad?”

      “Naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!”

    • “If the police have to chase you they’re bringing an a%# whipping with them”, i.e., police brutality since no officer would dare claim that was official LAPD policy nor a part of their training. Btw, the valuable resources being wasted is our taxpayer dollars for every multi-million dollar settlement resulting from yet another unjustified shooting incident and worse. “Dizzy” just hit the jackpot at our expense and the LAPD simply shrugs . . . at OUR expense.

  25. If the police have to chase you they’re bringing an a%# whipping with them. “Dizzy” stepped up and caught a case.

    • Well said. The absolute truth.

      “Oh man! It’s late at night, the cops are behind me, they’ve got their weapons at the ready and they’re telling me to get down and assume the position. What should I do? I know! I’ll run! I’ll run and make them chase me all over the city and use up valuable resources and time!”

      “I wonder if they’ll be mad?”

      “Naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!”

    • “If the police have to chase you they’re bringing an a%# whipping with them”, i.e., police brutality since no officer would dare claim that was official LAPD policy nor a part of their training. Btw, the valuable resources being wasted is our taxpayer dollars for every multi-million dollar settlement resulting from yet another unjustified shooting incident and worse. “Dizzy” just hit the jackpot at our expense and the LAPD simply shrugs . . . at OUR expense.

    • And you’ll see with your own eyes how the dude’s own actions precipitated the shooting. Round a corner, turn and advance toward the police with arms around chest level… David’s actions got him shot.

    • I saw the video too. And you cannot even tell if he makes any gesture, all you can see is that he turned around and headed back toward them. The video is too low grade to even see his arms, it is just a blur. And at the critical moment where you would see it if you could, the camera starts seriously shaking and even aims down toward the ground instead of at the people, to make it impossible to see if there was any arm movement, even if you stop it and look frame by frame.

      So, I’m afraid thee video is just not going to solve this matter.

      • i disagree. Remember, we don’t have to see where his hands are at the exact moment the shooting occurred, because the decision to shoot had already been made. You have to look at the movements *prior* to the shooting. It’s pretty clear to me in the moments before the shooting, the dude turns, advances towards the police, and has his arms near chest level.

  26. YOU NO WHAT YOU LAMM ASS CISSY LALA LEARN HOW TO WIPE YOUR ASSES BE BEFOR YOU GO OUT RUNNING YOUR CISSY MOUTH SO GUESS WHAT YOU CISSY ASS HOPE YOUR ASS DONT GET SHOT BYE THE COPS DAMM YOU GUYS ARE HOOKUNG LIKE CHITTING BEARS ..

    • I think the last time I called someone a “sissy” (not “CISSY”) I was in the second grade. You gangbanger goofballs sure go out of your way to look stupid and infantile.

      • It’s all that fine, fine education gang bangers are known for. A definite positive influence on society.

        • your conscience @ ep

          You must be a rocket scientist, or work for NASA. What are you doing on the eastsider you super achiever. I guess you are educated, but you are probably still a dweeb. I don’t even think you are a local from here, otherwise you would understand we are not all super intellects. What are you doing to help educate us around here? And you are lucky there is gangbanging, so they can keep the focus off of people like you, idiot. Say, hello next time you walk by the donut shop, and let us have an intellectual conversation. You might learn something! Other than that, put on your skirt and keep stepping, you booshy MTF!

          • I’ll admit I’m not an EP local. Heck, I don’t even know where exactly “the other-side of Glendale Blvd” is.

            However, even though I’m not local, I DO understand that you are not *all* super intellects. I understand that very well. Actually, it’s quite clear.

            What are Zaius and/or Beanteam doing to help educate y’all around there? Other than public school teachers, it is anyone’s job to educate y’all?

            Here, I’ll help. a) donuts are not healthy.

          • “your conscience@ep”

            You just did a brilliant job of calling yourself and your peers dumb and uneducated! I could not have done it better myself! Thank you, the dweeb-rocket-scientist

            By the way please tell me which doughnut shop awaits my intellect. They’re so many.

    • Who would name their Lama Cissy?

    • MAYBERRY STREETER

      THE ONLY SISSY IS DAT BUMB U CALL UR HUSBAND ASK HIM HOW HE WOULD BEG FOR US NOT TO PUNK HIM LIKE A LITTLE B*#CH THAT HE IS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE MECHO LAMES HAHAHA YA TU SAVES QUIEN RIFFAH

      • Uhm, Mayberry whatever? This forum is for people who know how to communicate properly.

        Now go and get your little can of spray paint and paint your gibberish on your alley wall…

        Thanks! (or should I say gracias)

  27. YOU NO WHAT YOU LAMM ASS CISSY LALA LEARN HOW TO WIPE YOUR ASSES BE BEFOR YOU GO OUT RUNNING YOUR CISSY MOUTH SO GUESS WHAT YOU CISSY ASS HOPE YOUR ASS DONT GET SHOT BYE THE COPS DAMM YOU GUYS ARE HOOKUNG LIKE CHITTING BEARS ..

    • I think the last time I called someone a “sissy” (not “CISSY”) I was in the second grade. You gangbanger goofballs sure go out of your way to look stupid and infantile.

    • MAYBERRY STREETER

      THE ONLY SISSY IS DAT BUMB U CALL UR HUSBAND ASK HIM HOW HE WOULD BEG FOR US NOT TO PUNK HIM LIKE A LITTLE B*#CH THAT HE IS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE MECHO LAMES HAHAHA YA TU SAVES QUIEN RIFFAH

      • Uhm, Mayberry whatever? This forum is for people who know how to communicate properly.

        Now go and get your little can of spray paint and paint your gibberish on your alley wall…

        Thanks! (or should I say gracias)

  28. Thankfully this man isn’t dead.

  29. Thankfully this man isn’t dead.

  30. I am familiar with David, not because he is a friend, or an enemy, but mostly because he is an annoyance.

    This man loiters the businesses on Echo Park/Sunset. As a woman, I often feel uncomfortable walking past him. Yes, this is me judging him, but in this day, in this neighborhood I have to go with my gut. If you are openly drinking, littering, loitering, and cat calling I am not going to consider you a valued neighbor.

    That said, my own grievances do not provide justification for what happened to him.

    I know a lot of the comments are bashing police and how they are gun happy.

    I have never had an issue with the police in my neighborhood. I also don’t have a record. I am not saying I am perfect, but do I go out of my way to make sure I am respecting the law as to not put myself or others in danger? Yes.

    If I was being asked by armed officers to get on the ground, I would. I would not run, I would not direct any hands or words at them. I would get on the ground.

    There are way to many examples where suspects (innocent or not) make the wrong decision in that type of moment and as a result get shot.

    It is pretty safe to say that if they suspect you to be a possible threat at a very busy intersection, ask you to stand down and you don’t you will get shot.

    • Yes, thats true. I dont know why he ran either. I like your comment and totally understand your point of view. I like how you didnt insult him just stated the facts. :)

  31. To Dizzy’s Puss ss ssy or whatever.
    you make no sense at all, to bad you wasn’t shot along with him.

  32. this is to dj. bend a box. Really, we r concerned about spelling ,grammer etc. the beauty of texting n taking part on these sites is we do not need to waste time revising, thinking, etc. JUST write n go with your flow. if its that disturbing to u, enough to complain about it. then u should b smart enough to b selective about what to read n comment about. its petty comments like yours that have kept me away from reading comments on line. this was the first time I read some about this messy incident because of the nature of the importance. criminals have rights too if this was the case, but obviously they couldn’t press any charges on him. many of us walk on that corner even later then that night. there r a lot of angles to ponder about on this: police have run over others while chasing suspects much too often. etc. there is so much more to this than grammar. Hello

    • peace, it’s a shame you don’t feel you “need to waste time revising, thinking..” because if you did do some thinking, you might realize, it’s almost never a good idea to run from and then charge police officers who have guns aimed at you. It’s also not a good idea to become so wasted on alcohol/drugs, etc., that you are unable to use proper judgement when confronted with said police officers.

      Dizzy may be just an innocent drunkard, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, but he is a grown man, and he most certainly carries a lot of the blame for his predicament.

  33. It Soriouly should not matter on how far or how educated a person may be. Btw, what does anyone’s grammer got to do with any of this??? Ask yourselfs this question and think next time before commenting on something you clearly dont have the right wits to comperhand…you all that have been making such a mockery of David Martinez. People, you all are simply just a bunch of cold blooded judgemental heartless humans. However, it is never to late to repent and ask God for forgiveness cause so far from what I have been reading you all are hypercrits and hopefully one day, you all will learn to have some intellence in having some compassion towards the sick and hurting people that are less fortunate. I know one thing some of you have still yet to learn…”RESPECT” anyway, and to all you new schoolers that have been net banging give it up already! Go to school and do something positive for your life’s. I bet later on down the road God willing you will soon come to realizing that none of your so called homies from your hood gonna be there. Well, enough has already been said so, Goodnight everyone and May God bless David and His family n loved ones Today,Tomorrow and always!!!!

    • “Comperhand”?
      Did you mean “copper hand”?
      I once knew a guy with brass balls. Someone with a lead foot… someone with an iron jaw.. .. Nerves of steel
      Never met anyone with a copper hand, tho. Interesting.

    • The reason people care about good grammar, punctuation, and spelling is because without them, comments are completely unintelligible. If you want your ideas to be understood, it’s important to make yourself clear. People don’t have the patience to try and decipher garbled writing.

    • Yes, yes. I’ve had several Uncles who were “sick and less fortunate”. I think it was their addiction to booze and drugs that made them sick and the fact that it destroyed their lives and made them a burden on their family and society that made them less fortunate.

      Give me a break.

      Enough with the lame excuses for losers like this who allow their weaknesses to control their lives and then excuse their behavior by talking up a fictional man who lives in the sky who you “pray” will forgive us for not taking this embarrassing burden of a man in to our hearts and make him some sort of a martyr/charity case.

      I’ve got plenty of respect for those who deserve it. You earn the respect of your family, your peers and your community by living your life the right way. This man deserves ZERO respect. He’s allowed himself to fall in to the outliers of society due to his weakness with alcohol and his apparent need to harrass and threaten those he probably percieves as weak and not “from his hood”.

      He’s human refuse. Is he someone’s son? Undoubtedly. Is he someone’s love? Probably. But is he still a complete waste of life and a complete drain and blight on society? Absolutely.

  34. he is a nice and gentle soul. always greet you with a smile.cant believe they would shoot this man like this.
    i already do not have much admiration for police officers. 9 times out of 10 they are
    the last person to save somebody’s life. they are always instrumental in destroying and wasting your fucking time!!!

    speedy recovery dude! you and your family are in my most heartfelt prayers.

    • Olaf, are you serious? The LAPD were responding to shots fired when then had their interaction with Dizzy. He sounds like a real gem, that Dizzy. All of you folks talking s**t about the police need to wake up. Who are you gonna call when you need help? Your homies?

      • Ghostbusters, you silly Goose.

        They’ll just call Ghostbusters.

      • “The LAPD were responding to shots fired” and ended up contributing their own shooting incident to the mess. In fact, has the original shooting incident been resolved? Or has it been completely eclipsed by the official shooting of an unarmed civilian? The level of incoherence among you law and order types is the best argument in favor of gangs. After all, why should only the rest of us live in fear of being shot, beaten, or killed for no reason at all?

        • Procopio, I don’t live in fear of the police because 1) I don’t create a history of disturbance and nuisance with them 2) I listen to their commands when asked to do something 3) I don’t run away, then turn toward them with a black cell phone in my hand as though I’m going to shoot at them.

          If you just do what I do, you don’t have to be afraid either.

  35. Just once I would like to see evidence of the “special training” and gear that we pay for our officers to receive. Thus far, it invariably results in “Shoot first, ask questions later”. What’s so innovative or sophisticated about that? Self-preservation is an instinct we’re all born with and any kid can fire a gun in fear. Repression of this instinct and restraint of their trigger-happy impulses might garner more sympathy and understanding. Otherwise, if shooting is all they know, let’s save taxpayer dollars by taking away all of the other expensive gear and specialized training. That would level the playing-field between all civilians and everyone would feel the threat of being turned into target practice for their own protection(?).

    • Not Another Neighbor

      I think all evidence points to the police asking him a lot of questions which he chose to ignore by running away and rounding on them. I am not supporting the LAPD here. No one deserves to get shot at 12 times when unarmed and the police and the tax payer will end up paying David for the emotional and physical trauma that he has been subjected to. However your opinion of the police force is farcical and so one dimensional to render it pointless.

  36. To everyone: I hope none of my comments were rude. I was just very suprised at a lot of post I read. I can understand everyones point of view. No one is saying Dave is perfect or that gangs are good. All I can say is that I hope he gets better and I hope hid kids are coping well. Im not here to argue just to write something supportive to his friends and family.

  37. David didn’t do anything to deserve this, but you cowards and sissies like to hide behind your screens and type your sh!ttalk. Move back to the states you came from this is our home david is our people. so don’t fake smile at me on the street just be real and keep it moving. One more thing remember your our guest here be respectfull or get out.

    • Incorrecto amigo. You are the “guest” here. We are only returning to clean up the mess you’ve made since we moved away!
      Now. Pack your trash.

  38. Look True Freedom, what up with all the hateful comments. If you don’t know anything about gangsters, or have never been one, why are you even talking? You shouldn’t even be saying anything about them because you don’t know what WE can do to you!!

  39. TODAY MY COUSIN PASSED :(RIP DAVID MARTINEZ My COUSIN WAS A VERY GOOD MAN I DO HOPE WE GET SOME TYPE OF JUSTICE FOR HIM…TODAY He WILL NOT MAKE IT HOME TO HIS DAUGHTER

  40. I’m just gonna take a stab at this. Could it be that they first conducted a through investiagion?

  41. Wow very confident and cocky. I bet you think highly of yourself and look down on others. lol Just remember you dont know what will ever happen in the future. I hope you think twice before you run your mouth posting disrespectful comments. oh but in your head your perfect.

  42. Now THAT’S funny! :-)

  43. A known panhandler and street drunk who has had several people write on here about run-in’s with him that involved threats of violence and harrassment vs. all of the people on here writing about Dizzy’s involvement with the church, or after school programs, volunteer work…..

    Oh wait.

    Yeah, there’s none of that. Nevermind.

    And I’m sure eastsidearts contributes to the community. We all do. The easiest way to contribute to a community is to not be a BURDEN ON YOUR COMMUNITY.

    And by the way, if we’re judging this loser by his picture I’m assuming he’s a comedy genius because that MoFo looks just like Cantinflas!

  44. I like everyone and think everyone deserves respect no matter how they choose to express themselves. I just am saddened by some negative comments by some people. A man is in critical condition and it seems most of you are glad.

  45. Yes, because smoking a cigarette after leaving a bar in a semi residential area is on hundred percent the same as drinking yourself into a stupor before engaging in some good old xenophobia via violent threats! This isn’t about latino’s versus the dreaded whitey (I am both), so don’t make it that.

  46. You dont need to be a gang member to be a victim of Police brutality.

  47. Apparently basic HTML doesn’t work in the comments section.

    Future gang members, this is your fate – http://www.madmaxmovies.com/mad-max-beyond-thunderdome/photo-archive/publicity/mad-max-gathering-at-thunderdome.jpg

  48. Drunken panhandlers? I’m more annoyed by helmetless, shaggy-haired, hipster- transplants hogging-up an entire traffic lane and ignoring Stop signs while riding their lame retro-bikes. My revenge? When I manage to drive around them, I make sure to hog-up the lane so that they can’t ride past me and when they direct their annoyed glares at me I respond with “Where’s your f’n helmet hipster-dufus!?”At that point they realize I’m a native who remembers the days before our neighborhood became a dumping ground for everybody else’s spoiled brat. If I only had a badge . . .

  49. FYI the cops are not in control of this neighborhood, not like they’re out beating kids up every night. They only show up when residents call them, by which time the scum has typically fled the scene. They are NOT proactive at all in solving EPs gang problem. It’s a very easily resolvable problem if anyone at NE had the resources or wherewithal to do so.

    Even though the officer’s reaction was perfectly justified in this circumstance, I’m sure this gang idiot will still get some $$.

  50. if this man had the capability to shoot fire at people, then I think there would be some bigger federal agencies involved.

    FYI, to assist in your reading comprehension… they were RESPONDING to a call for shots fired when they came upon him, I don’t recall seeing anything about him firing at the police, nor did he have to to justify his punishment. We all have access to the same video.

  51. Not Another Neighbor

    I doubt you’d pass the academy test with that racist attitude.

  52. Ghostbusters, you silly Goose.

    They’ll just call Ghostbusters.

  53. “The LAPD were responding to shots fired” and ended up contributing their own shooting incident to the mess. In fact, has the original shooting incident been resolved? Or has it been completely eclipsed by the official shooting of an unarmed civilian? The level of incoherence among you law and order types is the best argument in favor of gangs. After all, why should only the rest of us live in fear of being shot, beaten, or killed for no reason at all?

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