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Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Silver Lake drivers get hit with $50 driveway tickets

Driveway apron parking

The owners of numerous vehicles parked in driveway aprons – the sloping part of the driveway between the street and sidewalk – along Hyperion Avenue in Silver Lake were hit with parking tickets on Saturday morning. “Everyone on Hyperion between Sunset and Hoover got apron parking tickets yesterday morning for $50 each,” said Mark Mauer, who got slapped with a ticket as did at least six other vehicle owners on his block alone.  Mauer recalled that the City Council in 2011  was considering a proposal that would legalize apron parking in certain cases. What happened?

It looks like that 2011 City Council motion was never approved, according to a review of online city records.   But there still might be some hope for those who got tickets on Saturday.  Mauer’s neighbor sent him the following email after getting in touch with the city’s Parking Enforcement Department:

I just called parking enforcement and explained our circumstances and the operator confirmed that there are new officers and there have been shift changes.  She said to call the Rampart DOT and ask to speak to the [Sergeant]  …  Good Luck

 

 

 

 

40 comments

  1. So pathetic parking “enforcement” officers have to come out in the wee hours of the morning to give tickets to people who park in their own drive way while they are sound asleep They do this in my neighborhood also. Understandable that they are blocking the sidewalk, but that’s not my beef. My beef is that parking “enforcement” aren’t handing out tickets to the real offenders who park in the no parking zones during rush hour traffic specifically along North Broadway in Lincoln Heights? I’m sure it’s because they don’t have to cojones to confront these offenders.

    • What’s pathetic is that people in LA don’t realize that this city is AAALLL ABOUT bleeding more revenue from it’s citizens! Parking “enforcement” (just like other “well meaning” bureaucracies like the LAHD) has turned into a REVENUE DRIVER FOR THE CITY!!!!!!!!

      If parking enforcement was REALLY about safety or sanitation (which is the drum they beat) tickets wouldn’t be issued after the sweeper had obviously (wet pavement, sweeper trail) passed. You wouldn’t get a fine that is 272 times the amount of the fee you are 1 minute late in paying (parking meter violation).

      It’s all just opportunistic tax!

      But come on peeps, lets stay the course! Keep electing union puppets! I’m sure things will get better!

  2. Truly pathetic. The people who park on the aprons aren’t taking any of the limited parking spots on the street. There’s not enough parking for everyone in the modern, overcrowded city, so the city should be encouraging apron parking – as long as the sidewalk is not blocked (something that a couple of my neighbors don’t seem to have grasped). The City Council, unfortunately, is addicted to all of the parking ticket revenue generated in the city and don’t want to do anything to stem the flow of that cash. Between this idiotic law and the insane parking restrictions in the city, L.A. continues to be hostile to its residents. Call your council person and demand a change.

  3. I’m confused about something – as far as I can see, the suspension on enforcing this crazy no apron parking law should still be in effect. It was at the end of 2011, and I can’t see any change to that status. Anyone?

  4. People who don’t want parking tickets should not park illegally. Just because the City Council was “considering a proposal” doesn’t mean that the law was ever changed. Perhaps these folks will now to do some follow-up and complete the process, while still considering the safety and access issues that come into play with apron parking. Personally, I think that it would be very difficult for the city to enforce violations if they allowed people to apron park based on the driver’s estimation of whether or not their chosen spot is impacting anybody else. If that were the case, parking enforcement would be even more erratic than it is now. The haphazard issuing of citations is the reason why people are shocked to receive tickets for laws that have been in effect for years.

  5. Gosh, I feel just awful for people blocking the sidewalk so that pedestrians cannot use it. How sad for the innocent automobiles!

  6. It would be nice if Eastsider would actually report rather than spread rumors. Why haven’t you contacted Parking Enforcement or at least double checked someone’s ticket? I think you will find that they were NOT ticketed for parking in the driveway aprons but for blocking the sidewalks. Many people on this street have been blocking the sidewalks, don’t understand that they can park in the apron only as long as they don’t block any of the sidewalk. They are misunderstanding. Others on the street have confirmed for me that their tickets were for blocking the sidewalk, not for parking in the apron.

    This is at least the second time in recent weeks this ticketing has happened, Since the last time, I have seen a couple people put a note on their car window for the parking enforcement people, insisting they are allowed to park in the apron — but their car was blocking at least half of the sidewalk, because they don’t understand the rule.

    Eastsider should stop spreading rumors, instead should check facts like a real journalist would and educate people.

    • You have a point, except for the fact that I, as I wrote below, and my neighbors have been ticketed in the Echo Park area not for blocking “at least half of the sidewalk” but for being a mere hairline over in either direction. I actually brought out a measuring tape for one ticket to see if my car was hanging a full inch over the sidewalk. If the sidewalk path is blocked for pedestrians or those with wheelchairs who require the extra space, that is one thing. But nailing residents with a “gotcha!” ticket is excessive and helps no one.

      • Yes, that’s the point. You cannot block any of the sidewalk at all, none. You don’t get to block up to halfway, or even just an inch or two, none of it. Check out your tickets — they are not for being in the apron, they are for blocking the sidewalk.

        Those who are not blocking any of the sidewalk are the ones who are not getting the tickets.

        Nailing people for a gotcha ticket has always been the case in LA. They will get you for an inch or two into a red curb too. And in recent years,the City Council (especially under the lead of Garcetti) seriously changed their attitude about parking, now using it as a maximized revenue raiser, from the price of parking meters to severe crackdown on any technicality for tickets. So, you don’t get a grace few inches to cover the sidewalk, although what I’ve seen on this street is many people covering 1/4 to 1/2 of the sidewalk.

        So, now you know what to avoid.

  7. I live in Echo Park, where my neighbors and I have been sporadically receiving parking tickets for parking on the aprons of our driveways ($50? I believe ours were around $68!). If you are parked perfectly within the apron, they do not ticket you, but if you are so much as an inch out of bounds in the street or over the sidewalk, they nail you with tickets. There has been more than one occasion where I have come home at night and had no choice but to park on the apron, and managed to park an inch over the sidewalk (since it’s hard to see in the dark). Each time I woke up with a ticket smack on my windshield. Parking can be hard to come by at times, especially street cleaning days, and $60+ tickets for parking on your own driveway (again, a couple of inches over in either direction, but never blocking pathways or roads) seems absurd. Parking enforcement should HELP the neighborhood, not hinder it with its “gotcha!” attitude. Why are we taxpayers paying for city services that harm us more than they help us?

  8. I hope this isn’t construed as argumentative but I have noticed that a large percentage of folks in my neighborhood do not use their garage for parking but storage, band practice, etc. I feel like this argument about apron parking could be avoided–to a degree at least. I’m an avid pedestrian and I have to admit, I don’t like having to jump off of the sidewalk because a car is blocking it.

    • Yes, I’ve noticed similar too. A number of garages have been converted into either storage or, in some case, they are operating their small business out of it, like a warehouse for their stuff or a photo studio. But I see MANY people who have a garage they could use just don’t bother to pull in, leave it empty and park in the apron!

      But don’t get me wrong, yes, some people really do need to use the apron. Its just surprising to me how many people could pull into their garage but choose not to.

  9. I wish they’d ticket the people who park in the alleys. For some reason, they get overlooked. It drives me nuts when my alley is strewn with cars— what if emergency vehicles need to get through?

    The alley ‘parkers’ actually are breaking the law.

  10. Apron parking does not block the sidewalk if done correctly (not blocking/back tires less than 18 inches from the curb). We have the same problem in Echo Park. We (and other neighbors) have a parkway in front of our garage that we parked in not blocking the sidewalk since 2001. In 2013, the ticketing began by some officers. We were told by a parking control supervisor that they could not promise that we would not get a ticket; that some officers may and some may not. After 13 years of parking there? I find it interesting that not only can the agency not all get on the same page but this was suddenly enforced when the city needed money. So now my neighbors and myself have to often park blocks away from homes we own late at night for fear of getting a ticket….just great…

  11. The overnight officer for the Rampart district is Sergeant Sparks who actually dismissed our 1st round of tickets as she said that the officer was new FYI. It wasn’t until she sent an associate to speak to us directly that I was told that there would always be a possibility of future tickets for continuing to park there.. This officer had no response as to why this is now the case after 13 years of parking there.

  12. Is parking in your garages out of the question??? Or have I gone too far?

    • SL and EP are dotted with 100 year old bungalows and many garages built overtime do not accommodate a modern vehicle. I have a very average Sedan and would not be able to get in or out of my garage without banging the car door against the garage wall and slithering my way out. Most of my neighbors have the same situation.

      • Ah yes, remember how small those vehicles from the 20′s, 30′s, and 40′s were…

        Park in your garage or on the street. Enlarge your garage, if you must. Don’t block the side walk. Simple.

        • Actually, while cares were just as long as the are now, they were not as wide until the late 1930s and 1940s.
          That being said, I drive a mini so my 1930s garage is ample :)

    • Echo Park resident

      Pray tell, where are all these mystical 1910s and 1920s homes that either still have their garages or had garages in the first place? Most places with garages by my 1921 Echo Park home either added the garage at a later date (1960s onward) or are those big vintage apartment buildings with tiny garage spaces. NONE of the vintage Echo Park homes I’ve lived in had garages and I’ve ALWAYS had to park on the street.

      Now that I think about it, the ONLY home on my street with a garage is a home that was either built or remolded in the 1970s.

      • Sorry you weren’t aware of the problem you would have before you moved in : (

        There are always trade offs. You’re in a desirable and wealthy neighborhood so you have to deal with parking wars.

  13. People I know it’s hard… nobody in Los Angeles especially the ones who just moved into our neighborhoods want to follow actual Laws/rules. As a resident of Silver Lake for the past 52 years and since my family has been here since 1929 your not going to believe this but back in the days we all respected each other and followed rules and guess what we all got along to the max! We had consideration for others not just ourselves… somethings shouldn’t change and if you love this area respect it! Also I noticed some of these residence have actual garages here’s an idea why not use the garage your give for the actual car getting tickets… brilliant right!

    • Parking is becoming increasingly difficult in SL and surrounding areas. And still, density increases, we have more public areas, restaurants, bars…….all of which encourage increased population. I am one of the few homeowners in my neighborhood who actually uses my garage to park my car. And people who have 2-3 vehicles parked on the street complain there’s no place to park, Go figure!

    • A rather disrespectful, snarky comment cloaked in the name of neighbors respecting one another. Please see my comment above. As much as we all wish we bought a house half a century ago with a garage that could accommodate our vehicles, many of us are not quite as fortunate as you. Since you are so neighborly and respectful, perhaps you would like to offer a solution to a growing parking problem rather than pissing on those less fortunate than yourself. We don’t all have homes that are grandfathered in to us and we can’t all afford a house with a big garage in a neighborhood dotted with tiny one car (that car being a fiat) sized garages. We live in a community that is growing, as ANY functional city in the ENTIRE world does. Until humans stop breeding, cities will continue to grow and rules and laws must find creative solutions to adapt and grow with the neighborhoods they represent. A tight demand for parking necessitates some creative solutions. I don’t know what those are, but I know they don’t include the preface “back in my day” or “tough luck to the new idiots who haven’t yet learned all the ins and outs of this community, which was awesome till they arrived.” Nothing has ever been LESS considerate.

      • I think we need to invest more in making our city safely and comfortably navigable by walking and biking. Make car ownership a choice, not a burden many of us take on because we have to due to car centric planning.

        We can’t blame a growing population, we were all new at some point and only made our neighborhoods more crowded than they were before.

      • A tight demand for car parking means that we need to do what, exactly? The last time I checked it was my neighbors who made the community valuable, not the parking stalls. Every city that has started hollowing itself out to make parking a breeze has also driven away the whole reason people flock to one area over another. The last thing we need to do is make it easier to drive a car into our most valuable and sought after neighborhoods. We need to make owning a car cost more – and that would drop car usage rates in a hurry while raising property values and increasing livability. On-street parking should be an expensive thing – not the free-for-all it is now. Garages should be inspected to ensure that they are being used as car storage and not junk storage.

        • Yes, we should do as you say, punish the less affluent or downright poorer people more and more and more until we utterly bludgeon them into submission and force them to get the hell out of the way so the rich people can easily park their cars. Good idea, and great attitude. Who the hell do the less affluent people think they are anyway — they don’t deserve the higher level of transportation that allows them to get around readily, cheaper and wherever they need to go at least three times as fast as transit! They are not at all important enough to be allowed to use a car. Can’t they just go away?

  14. competition for parking spaces will only get worse as the city pushes for more and more high density housing with fewer parking spaces required per unit.

    • Echo Park resident

      Oddly enough, “studies” on the huge developments/apartments with less than adequate parking going up on Sunset and elsewhere in Echo Park have been deemed by the city to have “no potential impact on traffic.”

      The City has a lot of explaining to do, if you ask me. No impact on traffic? From a 200+ unit apartment building with only ~170 parking stalls? What happens when there are two or more people living in one of these apartments? Where does the City think they’ll have to park?

      • Oh good grief. Car ownership rates are dipping, people are driving less, and this is a “crisis” because people park their trash, not their cars, in their garages. Let he who hath a garage to fit his cars in cast the first comment reply.

  15. Sounds like most of the people getting ticketed for apron parking are blocking part of the sidewalk too… makes sense in that case because you’re blocking the public right of way (and the sidewalks in Silver Lake are pretty narrow to begin with.) I suppose if your car is only over by like 1 or 2 inches, then parking enforcement is just being dickish about it.

    But hey, at least it’s not $250 like the absurd jaywalking stings the LAPD is doing downtown on people crossing while they still have time on the countdown to do so.

  16. Ass hats pay. Yall have a mom or dad in a wheel chair ever? Trying to get them some where? GOOD JOB LAPD!!!

  17. Apron parking destroys the ability to walk, use a stroller, wheel chair or other non-car device on the sidewalk. All this apron parking takes place in front of driveways and garages packed to the gills with the flotsam of the 20th century – not cars, which is what all these garages and driveways are for!

    Good job LA parking enforcement. Anyone complaining should be forced to clear out their garages and park their car inside it before they can speak at a hearing in their defense.

  18. I think we can agree that LA Parking Enforcement is complete and utter bull. They ticket randomly and with revenue (not safety) being the number one goal. Have you honestly tried to walk down the sidewalk in most echo park neighborhoods? They are filled with much worse obstacles than cars (tree roots, garbage cans, debris). The city doesn’t even maintain the sidewalks, why on earth would the city care if a car is blocking inches of their broken, jacked-up sidewalk?
    Use the parking ticket revenue for sidewalk/street improvements and then we have a conversation.
    And, for the record I have a house built in 1927 with a tiny garage. S0 I bought a smaller car and it fits just fine. Its really convenient. But of the 8 or so houses nearby Im one of only two people that use their garage for parking in.

  19. Did anyone have any success in contesting these tickets? I see a lot of people in silver lake still parking in the aprons, so I’m assuming they are able to park there…?

  20. I am fighting one right now that was issued before this article was written. The picture above does not do justice to my situation where my apron is quite large and my small beetle fits perfectly, not one eyelash hangs over the sidewalk. So people thinking this is about blocking the sidewalk need to lighten up, not all the streets here are like the picture above.

    Oh, my ticket was for blocking the driveway citing CVC 22500 E which prohibits ALL blocking of a driveway. The only allowable situations are a bus loading/unloading and taxis. YOU are not allowed to block your own driveway, under any circumstances. Funny, this is a California Code, not Los Angeles.

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