Tuesday, October 25, 2016

New Echo Park condos go on the market this weekend

One of the largest Echo Park housing developments to take shape in more than 20 years will officially start selling condominiums on Saturday. Sales at the 36 on Echo project will begin with a grand opening of a model home and tours of the 36 unit project, which is still under construction at the corner of Echo Park and Delta avenues.  What will it cost to live in Echo Park’s newest condo complex?  Jim Mahboubian, a sales agent for developer D.R. Horton, said prices for the condos – which range from about 1,200 to 1,700-square feet will start in the high $400,000 range.  Four of the units have already been reserved by interested buyers, he said.  Guess we will have to wait until Saturday morning to find out how much it will cost to buy a condo with a view of Magic Gas (Echo Fuels) and Chango Coffee.

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  1. yay! we are so lucky to have such a butt-ugly waste of space in our community! thank you, out-of-town-developers, for telling us what we need! now we can be just like every other neighborhood in los angeles! where is mccullom street arson suspect stewart “fireball” robinson when we need him?


  2. LIving opposite this travesty is a real pain in the backside. I feel sorry for the people on the hill behind it who’ll get one hour of sunlight a day.

    • agreed, those people got royally screwed.

      • wow I am suprised the Echo Park Neighborhood Council did not get involved to help the neighbors where is their leadership?

        • Echo Park Devil's Advocate

          This lot has been empty for decades. There have been development plans/proposals for at least the last 10 years, if not longer. If you bought a house on that hill, as I did, then you did it knowing that lot could one day be developed. Caveat emptor.

  3. All you do is whine. Don’t like it? Do something about it. Get involved in your local politics. Influence your community. Stop your empty belly aching after the fact. It does nothing.

    • what would you do about henry? let me answer: absolutely nothing. you know why? because nothing can be done about it. the money has already been spent. the idea of “getting involved in your local politics” is dated and ineffective at best, better yet, why don’t I write a letter to the president?

      • If there is absolutely nothing than can be done, why you bitching and moaning about it?

        If it’s done it’s done…

        But if you cant figure out how to influence change then STFU.

        • I’m not offended by these new developments. If YOU are then how about getting some investors together and buying up the free spaces so you can dictate what happens to them. Cant? Well see the last line of my previous post.

          • it doesn’t surprise me you’re not offended by them. you should put your name on the waiting list to buy one. it’s gotta be a great investment, i’m sure you’ll fit right in.

        • spoken like a young, naive fool, henry.

          • Get out of the way whiner. Embrace the changes, you’ll be a happier person.

            And it’s Mr. Hawk. I don’t think we’ve met.

            Thank you.

      • I must say, the comment that getting involved in your local politics is dated and ineffective — that is the very kind of thinking that allowed these things to get built in the first place. I’m sorry, but that comment is just plain stupid and shallow. I’m sorry also, but shallow, mindless thinking has become a widespread problem.

        These things are overdevelopment for that location — and have a serious impact on all sorts of things in the area. That was eminently challengeable under CEQA –and anyone (such as Garcetti) telling you that there is nothing that can be done, they have an automatic right under the zoning to that many units if LYING to you. The zoning is merely where it starts; that can be reduced by its impact on the various environmental concerns.

        There also are mere tactical ways to fight — such as delay,delay, delay — until financing for the project is lost and the plan collapses. No such was done. The neighborhood didn’t fight for delays, and Garcetti did nothing to delay anything.

        No EFFECTIVE challenge was brought. No effective political pressure was brought (Garcetti didn’t even help!) — all hell should have been brought down to make the politicians realize they better not only help but get it done, or their ass was on the line.

        I’ll tell you, in days gone by in Echo Park, this NEVER would have gotten through. Such things WERE proposed, and they were defeated. Those people were real activists, not just paper-pushing “activists.” They were ready to be militant if called for, and were so when needed. If it were not for them, Echo Park would not even remotely resemble what it is today, it would have been heavily developed decades ago. But the people today can’t even motivate enough to stop such an obvious overdevelopment like this — because of stupid outlooks like stated above and namby pamby approaches of sending a letter and leaving it at that, like that’s going to scare some politician.

        Sending letters might be sufficient for the smaller matters, but not major ones like this — you have to get more militant, you have to let Garcetti and the other powers that be know they are about to be run out of town — or you will find yourself under the steamroller.

        Next up: Barlow. And I;m sure it will be more paper-pushing. Rest assured, that will bee going through — unless there is serious militancy. Militancy that the old Echo Park crowd undertook to defeat the plan to put the Convention Center there. A project of the kind proposed for Barlow requires that kind of militancy.

        • sorry, Glen, but it all boils down to money. Once the land is bought and the title changes hands, it’s a matter of getting the right amount of money to the right people.

          have you seen an L.A. city council meeting lately? they are a joke, an ineffective cluster fuck representative of the larger whole.

          the only way ANY of us, militant or not, would have been able to stop this development would have been to buy the land outright ourselves.

          I sure as fuck don’t have that kind of bread. do you?

          • They can be stopped. Has nothing to do with land owned or not. A condo project was stopped on Avalon last year by just a handful of active residents. They found an effective angle to contest the proposed buildings and the planning board agreed with them and the project was canned.

            True story.

          • Wow! Some sense is spoken!

            Pool your nickels together and you’ll have a say!

            MONEY TALKS!

        • @Glen: I agree. It’s very possible for an active core of residents to stop a project like this. They have to get organized, go to community meetings, and figure out at what places to insert themselves in the bureaucratic process of getting permits. Some helpful things are, getting advised early of what’s planned, getting the council member on your side, getti g someone on the core team who understands the approval process and how to stop or impede it.

          The tendency of poorly thought out or over scale projects to get approved unless impeded is one reason NIMBY is not a bad general philosophy in NELA.

  4. I think they’re hideous, at least the one condo they’ve completed. It looks cheaply made, windows are small. And I agree about the poor folks behind them on the hill who have lost their sunlight.

  5. sorry. but i’d rather drive past this when it’s finished than drive past a torn up , half developed , abandoned site every day for another couple of years. true , maybe something more in scale with EP with some green space would have been nice. but, i’m all for it being completed.

  6. I hope that we can come together as a community to ostracize whoever moves in here.

    • Haha, well put.

    • haha. we can all agree to give them the silent treatment (unless of course we’re feeling like calling them noobs, telling them how long we’ve been here and/or how they should move to the OC). i can hear it now:”stupid NIMBYs, I remember when your house used to be a big rotting pile of blue wood.”

      • Actually, I remember just ten years ago when it was a nice, clapboard single-family home, with a large tree, and an empty field. It lent a pastoral quality to the neighborhood that seemed like the last vestige of a now-vanished era.

        Sometimes you could hear goats from an unseen location behind the house. Occasionally you’d see several Latino adults gathered around and facing the tree, which seemed to have some sort of shrine attached to it. Meanwhile, kids would be in the field playing soccer. I wonder where they all are now.

        • WHAT was a nice clapboard single family home? The land that the condos are going up on used to be a nursing home.

          • I mean, the land used to be occupied by a nursing home.

          • actually you’re both right. there was an old house, an empty lot that kids rode bikes in, and the nursing home was next to the lot. funny though, when I picture what was there before, I rarely think of the nursing home. I picture that big empty lot with some corn growing in it. wasn’t really bucolic though, kind of trashy actually. but in a good way.

  7. Oh God, really? You people act like they tore down the Sistine Chapel, the Musée d’Orsay or something to build these condos. BTW, the houses behind them are shacks that no one should live in. Anything to improve this community is a good thing, except to you renters who seem to want it to remain a run down , gang infested place. You all complain endlessly about every improvement. Ugh.

    • Shut the hell up with your “gang infested” ignorance already , if it truly was “gang infested” people would not be flocking to the neighborhood to buy overpriced 2 bedroom homes .
      Why do you live here if it is “gang infested”?
      Echo Park is merely a shadow of what it truly was .
      People have missed the curb on when Echo Park was a mellow and awesome place to live .
      Now its full of people who are only concerned about their property values, and not being good neighbors .
      All this new development like all the new wave of greedy people that have moved in to the neighborhood , is like A stucco layer on a wood siding home .
      Echo Park since 1964

      • Also sick of “since 1964” mentality. You know, lots of things have changed since 1964, like cel phones, the internet, cable tv. Things change, cities and neighborhoods change. Used to live at Fargo and EP ave, it was gang infested. Grow up, change is inevitable. Maybe it’s you who needs to be mellow?

        • fed up – i’m not a renter. actually i’m a home owner and a landlord on lake shore ( a few blocks away from the blight.) this project was started years ago, delayed, and now it looks like, finally, enough money has been funneled in to complete it. the condos are not only out of character of the neighborhood, but they are going to cause a lot of unnecessary congestion and traffic. the bottom line is that there was better use of that land, but now we all have to live with it.

    • Agreed. Of course a park or public space would have been nice, but it’s not like our city our county is overwhelmed with extra $ these days, so that never seemed realistic. I don’t love the look of the condos either, but i’ve seen worse, and it’s infinitely better than that abandoned half-built garbage pit that we’ve been looking at the past few years.

      and as for the ‘overdevelopment’ argument – I guess we’ll see – if the demand is there, then they’ll sell all the units.

  8. Those things are so dense, no space anyplace at all, nowhere for so much as a blade of grass, no setback at all, built right to the edge of the sidewalk — I don’t see how the people who will live there will be able to even breathe, how could any air even get in there.

    Only an idiot would pay that kind of money for a condo where you can’t even breathe. So, when you see the people who move in, you will know they are idiots. Unfortunately, there are enough idiots around that these things will sell, even if there needs to be a price reduction first. Echo Park will be known as being full of idiots. In fact more and more people already are thinking so and moving elsewhere.

  9. The scale of the buildings doesn’t seem too ridiculous to me, isn’t this directly across the street from a couple of older 3/4 story apartment buildings (Chango, etc.)? The bigger problem in LA is all the housing up in the hills, where every trip requires a car, and fire/ambulance/police response time is compromised by sprawling density.

    On that note, I think the BARLOW proposal is worth fighting… everyone complaining about traffic and density should sign the petition: http://saveelysianpark.org/what-can-i-do/

  10. …………Fill me in on what a “cel” phone is .
    It looks like lakelamb IS acknowlwdging change.
    And as someone who has been here just as long as lakelamb, the only people who get defensive about long time residents of Echo Park , are the newbies who are trying to forge a connection to a neighborhood that you moved in to , but have no real connection to but your precious property value and your ignorant mentality.

    • Really, “longtime” residents are always throwing that around. Credibility needs maybe?

    • So how long does someone need live somewhere before they have “cred?” People have to start somewhere, sheesh. Maybe when you first moved there people thought that way about you.

      • good question. I have definitely lived here longer than some of the kids who grew up here (makes sense because I’m old), but I get the feeling that since my parents didn’t live in EP that I would be considered a noob.

  11. If I had $400,000+ to spend I’d buy a house of some sort. Likely not in Echo Park at this point, but perhaps Eagle Rock, Highland Park, Glassel Park, Montecito Heights or Alhambra. To each their own, I suppose.

  12. I am ok with the fact that they built condos there — the thing I hate is that the facade looks so cheap and out of place. They look like rental units in Colorado. Vertical siding is totally out of place here.

    • The problem isn’t that they are condos. The problem is how many there are, the extreme density of them, and how tall they are, and how they are built right to the sidewalk, no setback at all.

      • Aesthetics aside, we’re talking about 36 units, each with a 2 car garage. They could have built an apartment house with many more smaller units causing even more traffic and parking problems. Whatever the building regulations are that allow for no setbacks on relatively narrow streets are worth fighting to change. Let’s get going on the next one.

  13. the best thing that can happen here: they don’t sell. i checked the model home yesterday, it’s a sad state of affairs. no privacy, peering into everyone’s windows, no sun, no parking, the condo was small and the bedrooms were crazy small. one bedroom’s bathroom was bigger than the room! plus, they have HOA fees of 300$/month!! haha, good luck selling them…there were a lot of asians checking them out though 🙁

  14. The real winners will be whoever has the foresight to buy here. This neighborhood is only getting more expensive.

  15. I’ve been in EP for over ten years (a newb to some, a veteran to others) and care about improving the safety and appearance of my neighborhood as well as property values. The condos, the restaurant boom, the new gas station all are going to work to make this a more pleasant place to live. Make no mistake, it only takes one visit a month to the Westside to know EP is still a comparatively mellow place to live with friendly locals & merchants. FYI: the worst neighbor I have is the neighbor who has been in EP the longest. She’s a selfish shrew, I’d gladly take a new condo owner over her any day of the week.

  16. Real estate in echopark is at is all time high. Every hipster is on a waiting list for an old house with character but can’t get a proper loan for the falling apart houses because of all the damages. Ofcourse some developer is going to come build some new gross condo complex to feed the hipster beast. At the end of the day all these new west side hipsters trying to move east want something new and shiny any ways. Some one should plant a bunch of climbing ficus on the condos do at least we can add done more green to the block.

  17. I think a lot of people are torn, on one hand they want the gangs out, on the other, they want to preserve the neighborhood. These options are not mutually exclusive!

    It seems people think that bringing in more 400k+ buyers will increase public pressure on the gangs, thus they let ugly ass developments like this one fly…

    Just need one “gran torino” old man to clean the whole block up! Then people will have the spine to block horseshit developers like DRH from coming to EP.

    DR Horton, bringing the 909 track home life to you since 1990.

    • But maybe the “gran torino” old man is Mexican-American, a longtime resident of EP, as are his Asian neighbors…….and you and yours who have no respect for their way of life become their targets.

      • Why are you so racist?

        • I’m replying to Fauxican’s desire for a guy like Clint Eastwood’s Gran Torino character to “clean the whole block up!” I took that statement to be racist & classist in nature, a desire to make the the place safe for “his” people with no regard for the historic residents of the neighborhood. I took his comment seriously and responded in kind. Was it meant to be tongue in cheek?

  18. Reading all this whining makes me not want to live anywhere in this neighborhood old or new. By the way, I heard your park is getting a $65 mil makeover. Wa wa wa

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