Wednesday, October 26, 2016

SUV rolls over during Sunset Boulevard crash

SUV flipped over on its side after crash | Jennifer Deines

SUV flipped over on its side after crash | Jennifer Deines

ECHO PARK — A woman was momentarily trapped in her SUV after the vehicle collided with a compact car and rolled over on Sunset Boulevard near Everett Street during the evening rush hour.

Bystanders helped the woman climb out of the black SUV that had flipped on its side,  said Jennifer Deines, who snapped shots of the collision that took place at about 5:30 p.m. The woman appeared to be okay, Deines said.

The crash took place as the eastbound SUV was turning left from the median on to Everett when it collided with a white, city-owned vehicle traveling west on Sunset, Deines said. The driver of a white car, an employee of the L.A. Fire Department, was able to immediately call in for help, she said.

Woman being helped out of SUV | Jennifer Deines

Woman being helped out of SUV | Jennifer Deines

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  1. This corner has been a widow maker for years! Although I’m not surprised that it was a hipster suv that was involved int he collision.

  2. This is going to happen more and more, unless Everett gets a traffic signal.

    The Elysian has 92 units, the Sunset Gateway going in on the old Do-It Center lot will have 214, and when the Holy Hill Church east of the Elysian sells, the new owners can put in 575 units “by right.”

    And DOT rules don’t allow for a traffic signal. Well, here’s a wild and crazy idea from the peanut gallery: Change the damn rules.

    The solution is simple. A traffic signal that works in tandem with the signal 100 yards west at Sunset and Marion, coupled with flashers in the pavement to call attention to the “keep clear” anti-gridlock notice painted on the asphalt at the foot of Everett, on westbound Sunset.

    Councilman Cedillo can easily get DOT to see the light on this, and bend their rules or tweak their guidelines to get this done.

    It makes no sense whatsoever to allow for 900 units at the bottom of a dead-end street one mile west of downtown, on a major thoroughfare, without a freaking traffic signal.

    And if DOT rules say you can’t do it, then perhaps the rules need to be revisited.

    • Traffic signals cost $150,000 to $250,000. What is a life worth? I don’t know, but that is an awfully high price to pay and Cedillo’s spent his traffic light money for the year for one at Avenue 51 in Highland Park and Hancock and North Broadway in Lincoln Heights. He could pull another 1/4 million out of a hat somewhere, but I’m not holding my breath.

      • The cost of the traffic signal should’ve been negotiated with the developers of the Elysian and the Do-It Center development.

        • Something tells me the neighbors wasted any leverage they may have had trying to get more parking and some height knocked off the building (instead of actual community improvements.)

          But maybe I’m just being cynical, I dunno.

          • Give the cynicism a rest for now. They changed the project parameters outside of the public process. It was appealed. Now its stalled.

            Its going to be a while, so don’t count those chickens just yet, but please do get your camera ready.

            I encourage everyone who cares about pedestrian, bike and auto safety near this rapidly changing area, to please take a photo if you see an accident in this area. Leverage works a whole lot better when there’s photographic evidence.

            Send to: [email protected]

          • Sorry, but I believe you are being cynical. Lowering the building and increasing the parking are two very real community improvements. I’d much rather see a lower building than a tall monolith and a couple of park benches.

            Aragon Development is going to be “parking the Queen Mary on Sunset” whether we like it or not. It’ll be 825 feet long and about 70 feet high. Go down to Long Beach and stand on the dock beside the Queen Mary, and you’ll get the idea. The description wasn’t coned out of thin air – it’s pretty darn accurate.

            Lessing a massive visual impact like is absolutely a community benefit.

          • It doesn’t make any sense to me how people can advocate for more car parking and then complain about car crashes. If you want to make the housing impact lives less, you don’t plan for more crashes – you reduce the parking so that the builder can afford to build less building and in so doing you reduce the impact the development has on car travel.

          • I personally have been proposing a traffic light since the first meeting we were invited to. Leverage? They don’t care about “the neighbors”, and what corner is your soul at? If you had been to any meeting that I had been to you’d know that a traffic light has always been brought up by at least me.

          • More parking will encourage tenants to have cars, perhaps multiple cars. We continuously demand more parking yet we are surprised when we encounter more traffic. We are adding more space to store cars but the City certainly is not adding any space on the roads. The city is built up and very little can be done to add lanes but we tell developers to add more parking so that we can park more cars that will drive on roads that don’t have room for added capacity. Seems legit…

          • My bad for assuming, but I guess what I’m getting at is parking is expensive and so are traffic signals. Perhaps if the developer were encouraged by the NC to reduce parking as long he/she used a portion of those savings to pay for a traffic signal, it would be a win/win for all parties (less cars/traffic, a much safer intersection, and the taxpayers save a couple hundred grand over what it would cost outright.)

          • The same old meme!! You’re right Corner Soul. The NIMBYs get things stalled but hardly ever killed just like Flea’s big conservatory idea. These things still go in 5 years later but the NIMBYs instead of fighting for better traffic circulation, signals, upgrades to the street like bike lanes and such stamp their feet screaming about views and the new neighbors peeping into their backyards. What a dumb lot they are.

        • We (the people) can’t make a developer install a traffic improvement. We tried that, rest assured. DOT sets the rules, and will take it’s cues from the council office. In this case, we did not have the support from CD1 for a traffic light or an enhanced crosswalk, or anything of that nature.

          There must be a legal nexus between conditioning a project with something like a traffic improvement. They could not (or would not) find that nexus. They cla that if they “made” the developer improve an intersection or make a new one, that would be an exactions, which is illegal.

          The traffic study provided by the developer was poorly done and failed to accurately account for trips, which may have had the effect of establishing the necessary nexus. But, alas, they were given full support by the city and not asked to provide an accurate study.

          Oddly, the city did find the necessary nexus to require them to improve phasing at sunset and Beaudry. That intersection is difficult at rush hour, so I guess moving cars is much more important than protecting pedestrians, bicyclists and autos accessing the sites under development.

          The Elysian is adaptive reuse. They actually have fewer trips now than they did under it’s former use. No nexus, no improvement required.

          • Well we all know LADOT and Cedillo have very little interest in making the streets safe for pedestrians or cyclists. But thanks for the insight.

    • Another traffic signal is NOT the answer. Los Angeles has way too many traffic signals as it is, it’s THE main reason we have such bad traffic jams, What is needed are educated drivers. Clearly, she didn’t have the clearance to make this turn, she probably just got tired of waiting and decided to play ‘Press Your Luck.’ Solution, go further east to one of the many other traffic lights, make a safe U-Turn, and then turn right on Everett. Putting a signal up and stopping a heavily trafficked area of the street so a few people can turn left is not the solution.

      • The next intersection is Beaudry and Sunset. That’s the one that operates at LOS F during rush hour, is on a grade and a curve, and also has no dedicated left turn. She could have turned into the CVS and gone thru the parking lot, but I’m not sure that’s something we’d want a lot of folks doing either.

        The next intersection after that is Figueroa, which is not optimal for a U-Turn. Lots of Evans students crossing and cars accessing the 110. Its better than Beaudry, but probably too far out of the way to be a real alternative.

        Signals, crosswalks, traffic calming dividers, street activation, etc. are the best ways to slow traffic down. And that *is* what we need.

        It makes no sense to travel 40-50 miles per hour on Sunset between Figueroa and Douglas. The rest of Sunset (Cesar Chavez) beyond Figueroa has urban center traffic patterns, slow and congested. The portion to the west of Douglas narrows as it approaches the center of Echo Park where, again, it slows down. There’s really just a 1 mile curved race track between Echo Park and Downtown. There is no reason to not slow it down. (Except, of course, that it costs money and might cause a kerfuffle for the hallowed Dodgers).

      • I take your point, but in this particular case I disagree, and here’s why:

        A traffic signal at Everett and Sunset that operates in tandem with the traffic light at Marion would not slow or frustrate Sunset traffic one iota.

        (“In tandem” means that for Sunset traffic in both directions, both signals at Everett and Marion would be red, yellow, or green at the exact same time.)

        All this would do is enforce / emphasize the existing “keep clear” corridor marked in white paint on the westbound Sunset roadway at the foot of Everett.

        A tandem signal light at the foot of Everett would provide a much safer turning corridor onto and off of Everett, through the backed-up line of cars that frequently occurs on westbound Sunset because of the red light at Marion.

        • It’s really sad that you feel this way and obvious you don’t live in the neighborhood. If you lived here you’d know that there are accidents happening there all the time. If people are in such a rush they should be on the freeway. If they are almost home they can take a moment to wait at a light. I’m sure anyone around here would be thankful rather than aggravated if they had to wait a bit.

  3. Since Obama performed so well in his State of the Union I can’t blame him for this one – which is why, as always, I blame the bike lanes for this crash. Hipsters come in a close third.

    I am sure that we are all happy that no charges were filed – as driving like you’re drunk when you are not drunk is a faultless mistake unworthy of any legal repercussions.

    To recap: bike lanes, hipsters to blame; not DWI just Driving While Incompetent. Now collect that insurance money and get another set of wheels you wacky kids! The polar ice sheets aren’t going to melt themselves. 🙂

  4. There are accidents at this corner all the time, and, like the person above says, it is going to get worse as dense real estate projects multiply. I had an accident at this corner, so did my neighbor.

  5. View from the bike yesterday: lots of impatience out there (and not just directed at me). Tranquillo, folks.

  6. OKAY, everyone pump the brakes, pun intended.
    For those that do not have actual knowledge or care to notice, this stretch of West bound Sunset Blvd has this insane Dodgers/DOT designated Bus Only Lane from 4pm-7pm, running from Figuroa to Elysian Park, the main entrance to WHAT? Say it together, Dodger Statium.
    NOW, this Bus Only Lane, that was put in place last year for Dodger Shuttle Buses, has caused a major clogging of traffic from 3 lanes to 2, NOT SEASONAL OR JUST HOME GAMES, but all year long. This is blind insanity in design and
    unintended effects. This aside, the LA City Worker was driving against the posted laws of the Bus Only lane when he hit this woman’s vehicle. SO Stop attacking her for being a bad driver or a “hipster”, or a “Hipster Bike rider”. The facts are bearing that the person in the white car was braking a law before and during this accident. Maybe he was trying to get to a Dodger home game. OH WAIT, it’s not baseball season.
    NOW, as for the question of a stop light at Everett St, the idea is to extend the present light at Marion, which Mike was mistaken in it’s distance from Everett St entrance, it is more like 150-180 feet apart. The idea is to errect a sister light right before Everret that would mimic the light in current operation at Marion and Sunset, just some 180′ away. Then there would be more opportunities for the growing population on Everett to be able to safely turn on to and off of Everett St. It would NOT be a new stop light, just one that extends part of the intersection of an already operating one.
    Just so everyone knows, I have lived on Everett for nearly 15 years now and Mike has for over 20. So, we both know this intersection intimately, as does anyone whom lives/lived on Everett St, being it’s a deadend street with one way in and out. I too have been struck while leagally turning east on Sunset from Everett, and this was not even on a busy weekday. It’s a tough intersection and an extened Marion stop light pole at Everett on Westbound Sunset would do wonders and would not cost the same amount of a normal intersectional light. It can be maddening trying to make a left into or out of Everett St, and I am no manor a bashful driver in my big truck. I will and have pushed my way through clueless and rude drivers alike whom ignore the “Keep Clear” painted section at the opening of the entrance exit, especially during Dodger home games. And this God Damn illconcieved and effects of “Bus Only Lane” is infurating and aggravates the his issue and the traffic flow from Figueroa to Elysian Park. Now City Employees seem they are able to use this lane as their person Speed Pass lane.
    As for the inference, with lack of evidence, that the Stakeholders of WeAreEchoPark failed to use some advantage of leverage on the Aragon Sunset Gateway project to get a light put in at Everett and Sunset, he whom states this has no real idea what they are pontificating, or really does not care for the other very significant issues with that project’s proposed and possible effects on not just residence on Everett St but the whole surrounding area. Nor is that person looking at the very significant precedent that such a massive 214 unit, 850′ long and 70′ tall two building behemoth would create and flood gates it would create in this already nearly out of control Corporate Developer feeding frenzy our neighborhoods are experiencing, killing the charm and neighborhood feels we all found for reasons to move and or buy in these areas. The Aragon project progress, or not progress, is being watch by at least 6 very large developers looking to erect their own overly large complexes and all within one HALF a square mile of the Aragon Sunset Everett Marion location. Long winded, but HELL YEAH we directly requested and addressed the discussion of lights at Marion and Sunset, even a Cross Walk around the area next to Guisados, to deal with not just the current Jaywalking issue but it being inflated due to their 214 unit behemoth, as well as the 3 other over 17 unit complexes slted to go in between Elysian and Marion.
    For someone to suggest to shoot for just getting a light at Sunset and Everett from the Aragon Developers and City District, completely disregarding egregious growth in the building height, exploiting density bonus, blatant lack of adequate residential parking, let alone guest parking, effect on surrounding neighbors, traffic flow, available street parking(of which many in this very old neighborhood is all the parking they have) and the very historical vertues of the surrounding area is just completely shortsighted and shows it to be someone’s either lack of concern or detailed thought process.
    The Aragon Sunset “Gateway” developers put force an egregiously flawed Traffic Study, of which many residences easily pointed out those very glaring flaws, and the Developer defended it up and down, along with CD-1 Reps going along with it.
    PEOPLE, this section of Sunset has become a SPEEDWAY, whether idiots just driving too fast, morning or afternoon Elysian Park Commuter cutters or Dodger traffic. With the redevelopment of Downtown and Echo Park/Silver Lake/Angelino Heights neighborhoods it has become more and more crazy.

    • Did you ever consider that, to a certain degree, the main reason these buildings are so ugly, industrial scaled and span several blocks (like a cruise ship) is the parking requirements?

      Take a look around the region at the mixed use mid-rises with some charm and human scale to them (in Los Feliz, Old Town Pasadena, Little Tokyo, etc.) These were all built before we decided urban development must have suburban levels of parking. And all these new mixed users that everyone seems to hate are just a product of the zoning code (like the dingbats and strip malls that came before them.)

      I totally understand where you’re coming from, but I just fundamentally disagree with the notion that we need all this parking around major transit routes. It just drives the cost of housing up and increases traffic. Echo Park has decent mass transit, bike lanes and fairly walkable amenities. We should be reducing the top-down parking minimums and allowing the free market to figure out how much (or little) parking is actually needed. We live in a major city with lots of people, culture and opportunities… traffic and tough parking is just part of the deal.

      • I think everyone gets that argument. It works in theory, but not in practice, where LA is spread out and the frequent and inexpensive local transit (DASH) hasn’t re-routed the lines to align with where people want to go (up and down Sunset from downtown to Hollywood, for instance). That’s why we’re stuck using cars to do that.

        This project at Sunset/Everett is a Density bonus, so parking isn’t the problem, they’ve taken advantage of the lowest possible parking requirements. 1 per unit for singles & 1 Br. 2 per unit for the few 2 Br that they offer.

        Parking does NOT make the building a cruise ship– profiteering does. They could build a taller steel-framed building using density bonus, that has a smaller footprint and provides for more open space. Wood frame construction is way cheaper but it can’t go higher than 75′, so that’s why all these mid-rises are so ugly. Its all about profits my friend..

        We demanded that at least two zip cars would reside on site as part of our “community benefits.” The best they could do was say they’d look into it, and if it didn’t cost them money, or take a space from a tenant, they would be open to it. In other words, it ain’t happening.

        • Well I certainly appreciate the effort on trying to get more Zipcars (I don’t own a car, and it’s a very convenient service that I use all the time in my neighborhood.)

          But Sunset has pretty frequent 24/7 bus service to downtown and Hollywood (not just Dash; Metro 2/4/704.) People could even just walk to the Civic Center from this location, so density seems completely appropriate from a planning perspective. Other cities with comparable mass transit (Portland, for example) have gone for decades without parking requirements and their land use and development patterns are a lot more desirable than ours.

          And developers aren’t going to build steel high rises instead because a) the zoning rarely allows for it; and b) it’s hella expensive (there isn’t even much of that happening Downtown, where the land value and zoning favor it.)

          One spot per unit is still quite high for urban apartments… I don’t see how the developers are supposed to break up the massing (or better yet, property owners subdivide the parcels into smaller footprints) if they have to build an industrial scale parking garage for each and every building. I mean it’s a business like any other, profit margins are critical.

          Anyway, even if the city were to ditch the parking minimums near transit, larger buildings like this would still build a lot of parking (their lenders would compel them to.) But you might see some smaller projects here and there built on lots that can’t accommodate parking garages (cheaper rents too.)

          • Not to mention both owl service and 24 hour service on the 2 & 4 connect directly to the subway! The 704 which is an overlay of the 4 connects directly to a the subway as well. When having a transit discussion and the “LA is too spread out” card is pulled you know instantly that dealing with someone is car dependent and who are about to start making excuses for that dependency.
            Been car-free since 2008. Went to school in the Valley and worked near LAX all without ownership of a car. Save your whining for someone else.

  7. LA DOT must take notice of this extremely dangerous intersection. A traffic light at Everett on Sunset would get the ball rolling in a positive direction for our east Echo Park neighborhood. Developers want to build condos along Sunset and attract more people to the neighborhood. That stretch needs better flow as architects suggest but accidents are certainly a roadblock for good flow in the area; a reputation for being a dangerous neighborhood wouldn’t be good for their business. It makes perfect sense to put in a new traffic light and make a civilized gesture for the residents and good business for the developer’s proposed clients.

  8. If we licensed drivers maybe they’d behave better! Just kidding. Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that it seems not a week goes by without some headline on The Eastsider that a car flipped over, crashed into a building, or there are traffic delays due to bike lanes? I don’t know what the problem is, but I’ll tell you, the solution is NOT to speed cars up or do anything that encourages more driving. We have a pretty messed up transportation system for occurrences such as this to be considered common and acceptable. We need safer streets, and fewer people driving.

    • Thank you to the Eastsider for posting stories that shine a light on these public safety issues. Its so easy to forget about the “horrible accident” or crashed-in storefront that happened months ago. Raising awareness is an important step in advocating for improvements.

      Well done!

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